SRI SINN A RAMANUJ A JEER AND OTHERS v. SRI RANGA RAMANUJA JEER AND ANOTHER. (B. P. SINHA, c. J., K. SUBBA RAO, RAGHUBAR DAYAL and J. R. MunHoLKAR, JJ.) Temple Honour-S1'il by aradanaikar and trustee of temple
for declaration of right to first theertham-Maintainability-Test- Code of Civil Procedure, r908 (Act V of r908), s. 9. The respondent as the aradanaikar and trustee of the Emberumanar temple, dedicated to Sri Ramanujacharya, which was one of the group of temples built around the main temple of Athinathalwar in the Tirunelveli District, brought the two suits, out of which present appeals arose, for declaration of his right to the first theertham and other honours and perquisites in precedence over all other worshippers in the temple of Athina- thalwar and his case was that he was entitled to them by virtue of his office in the Emberumanar temple. The matters came up to the High Court. There was a remand order and the Subordi- nate Judge who tried the suits thereafter held that the Emberu- manar temple was a sub-shrine attached to the main temple
and as such the plaintiff was virtually an office-holder in the main temple and the precedence claimed by him was attached to that office as part of the remuneration and decreed the suits. On appeal the District Judge, on a review of the entire evidence, set aside the findings arrived at by the trial court and dismissed the suits as not maintainable.
The appeals to the High Court were heard by a single Judge who, on a reconsideration of the evid- ence, reversed the findings of the District Judge and affirmed those of the Subordinate Judge and decreed the suits. It was, further, held by the High Court that, as one of the theerthakars, the appellant could be considered to be the holder of the office of arulipad in the main temple.
Held. that although it was not permissible under s. 9 of the Code of Civil Procedure for a civil Court to entertain a suit for a declaration of religious honours and privileges simpliciter, it could entertain a suit to establish one's right to an office in a temple and to the honours and privileges attached to such office as its remuneration or perquisites. But the essential condition for the existence of an office was that its holder must be under a legal obligation to discharge the duties attached to it and be liable to penalty on failure to do so.
So judged, there could neither be an independent office of theerthakar, for he had no obligatory duties to perform, nor that of an arulipad, since that word only connoted that the names of theerthakars were called out by the archaka in a particular order. April a7.
Sri Sinna Rani1,nuja jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja jeer Subba R:ao ]. [1962] The question whether first theertham or any other honours shown to a person were merely as a mark of respect on the
occasion of his visit to the temple, or were part of the remunera- tion attached to his office, must in every case be decided on evidence and in the latter case such honours must be shown to have formed an integral part of the ritual to be performed by the recipient as the holder of the office.
Athan Sadagopachariar Swamigal v. E layavalH Srinivasa- chariar, (r9r3) M.W.N. 289, approved. Striman Sadagopa v. Kristna Tatachariyar, (r863) I M.H.C.R. 3or, Sri Rungachariar v. Rungasami Buttachar, (r909) I.L.R. 32 Mad. 29r and Vathiar Venkatachariar v. P. Ponappa Ayyangar, (r9r8) 45 I.C. 959, referred to.
Sri Emberumanar ] eer Swamigal v. The Board of Commis- sioners for Hindu Religious Endowments, Madras, (r936) 7r M.L.J. 588, considered. Held, further, that it was well settled that the High Court had no jurisdiction to entertain a second apreal on the ground of erroneous finding of fact, however gross the error might seem to be. In the instant case, the High Court was clearly in error in reversing the finding of the District Judge, which was one of fact, that the Emberumanar temple was neither subordinate to, nor~part of the Athinathalwar temple and no office-holder of the former could, therefore, become an office-holder of the latter. CIVIL
APPELLATE JURISDICTION: Civil Appeals Nos. 244 and 245 of 1958. Appeal by special leave from the judgment and decree dated February 19, 1953, of the Madras High Court in Second Appeals Nos. 2120 and 2121 of 1947.
A. V. Viswanatha Sastri and M. S. K. Iyengar, for the appellants. K. N. Rajagopala Sastri and M. S. K. Sastri, for respondent No. IA. S. V. Venugopalachari and R. Gopalakrishnan, for
respondent No. SA in Appeal No. 244 and respondent No. 7 A in Appeal No. 245. 1961. April 27. The Judgment of the Court was delivered by SuBBA RAO, J.-These two appeals are directed
against the judgment of the High Court of Madras dated February 19, 1953, setting aside that of the District Judge, Tirunelveli, and restoring that of the Subordinate Judge, Tuticorin, in 0. S. Nos. 45 and 46
of 1945 on his file, and they raise the question of maintainability of a suit in regard to honours and perquisites in the temple of Athinathalwar in Alwar Tirunagari. At Alwar Tirunagari in Tirunelveli District there
is a famous temple called Athinathalwar temple. The presiding deity in the temple is Lord Vishnu. Its origin is lost in antiquity. In the 10th and 11th cen- turies Vaishnavite saints, called Alwars and Achar-
yas, who were ardent devotees of Lord Vishnu, wor- shipped at the temple and sang in praise of the Lord. As time passed by, 20 smaller temples were erected to commemorate the lives of Alwars and Acharyas.
Within the compound of the main shrine, there are three minor shrines of Nachiar, Nammalwar, and Garuda; the rest of the smaller shrines are outside the premises of the main temple. Each of the said temples
has its own manager, archakas and separate endow- ments; but, presumably because of the fact that the Alwars and Acharyas, whose idols are installed in the smaller temples, were originally devotees of Sri Athi-
nathalwar, an interesting and novel practice of mutual and regular exchange of visits between the idols in the smaller shrines and the idol of Athinathal- war has grown over the years. During certain speci-
fied occasions in the year, the idols in the minor temples are brought to the main temple for worship; so too, on specific occasions the idol of Athinathalwar is also taken to the minor shrines; such visits being
reminiscent of the days when the Alwars and Acharyas worshipped in the temple of Athinathalwar. Sri Ramanujacharya was one of the greatest of the devotees of Lord Vishnu and is well known through-
out this vast country as the progenitor of an import- ant schoool of Indian philosophy. He died in the year 1127 A. D. In the 13th century a shrine was built in his honour and his idol was installed therein.
Sri Ramanujacharya is also known as Udayavar or Emberumanar and the shrine built in his dedication is known as Emberumanar temple. The manager and archaka of the said temple is known as Emberumanar
r96r Sri S·inna Ramanuja ] e1r v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja j eey Subba Rao ]. Sri Sinna Ratnanuja ] eer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja jeer Subba Rao ]. (1962] Jeer. Emberumanar temple also is outside the pre.
cincts of the temple of Athinathaiwar. There are also mutual visits between the idol of Emberumanar and the idol of Athinathalwar to each other's temple. The present Emberumanar Jeer is the plaintiff in the suits
out of which the appeals have arisen. There is a mutt called the Vanamamalai Mutt in the said District and the head of the mutt is known as Vanamamalai Jeer. He is a sanyasi held in reverence
by Vaishnavites of South India. He is the first defendant. The heads of the Ahobilam Mutt and the Tiruk- kurungudi Mutt are the second and third defendants respectively. The fourth defendant is the Executive
Officer of the temple of Sri Athinathalwar and he was appointed by the Hindu Religious Endowments Board, Madras. The records disclose that, at any rate from the middle of the last century, there have been disputes
between the various Jeers and others as regards the order of priority in which certain honours have to be distributed among the said Jeers when they attend the temple of Sri Athinathalwar for worship. In the
ghoshties (group of worshippers in front of the deity) both on ordinary and special days the said Jeers are shown honours befitting their rank. The honours consist of distribution of theertham, thulasi, satari and
viniyogam, and a few more similar items. Each of the said Jeers is allotted a particular place in the ghoshti and a certain order of precedence is observed inter se between them. This order of precedence in
the matter of receiving honours has become an unend- ing source of bickering between the religious heads; with the result, the Madras Hindu Religious Endow. ments Board, constituted under Act 1 of 1923, with
jurisdiction to administer the endowments in the Madras State, had to interfere and settle the disputes inter se between the various Jeers. On May 12, 1927, the said Board fixed the order of precedence for
honours between the various Jeers to be observed both on ordinary and special days. By the said order the Board recognized the Emberumanar Jeer's right i· to the honours and perquisites in precedence over the
other Jeers on all the days other than Vaikasi festival days, except the 7th day, and as regards the other days of the festival, namely, 1st to 6th and 8th to 10th days, the Board directed that the other Jeers
should be shown on the respective days both the ordi- nary and special honours in precedence over the rest of the Jeers, including the Emberumailar Jeer. Not satisfied with the said order, the Emberumanar Jeer
filed 0. S. No. 320 of 1933 in the Court of the District Munsif, Tirunelveli, which was later transferred to the Court of the Subordinate Judge, Tuticorin, as 0. S. No. 45 of 1945, against the other Jeers and the
Hindu Religious Endowments Board, for the declara- tion of his right to the first theertham and other per- quisites in precedence over all the others in the ghosh- ties of Sri Athinathalwar temple on the ground that
he was entitled to them as the office-holder of the temple of E,mberumanar. Subsequent to the filing of the suit, the Board, by its order dated May 15, 1935, altered the order of precedence giving the Vanama-
malai Jeer precedence over the Emberumanar Jeer; and this led to the Emberumanar Jeer filing another suit 0. S. No. 201 of 1941 in the Court of the District Munsif, Srivaikuntam, for a declaration of his right
to the first theertham, etc., in precedence over all the others. This suit was later transferred to the Court of the Subordinate Judge, Tuticorin, as O. S. No. 46 of 1945, to be tried along with 0. S. No. 45 of 1945.
To the suits the Emberumanar Jeer, the Vanama- malai Jeer, the Ahobilam Jeer and the Tirukkurun- gudi Jeer, and the Executive Officer of the Hindu Religious Endowments Board were made parties.
These suits have had a chequered career. But we shall briefly refer only to those stages of the long drawn litigation which have some bearing on the questions raised in the present appeals. 0. S. No. 320 of 1933
was finally numbered as 0. S. No. 66 of 1936 and was disposed of on March 25, 1941, by the District Munsif, Tirunelveli. The learned District Munsif dis- missed the suit on the ground that it was not main-
tainable, as the plaintiff had no legal right in respect Ig6r Sti Sinna Ra»ianuja jeer v. Sri Ranga Rainanuja ] eer Subba Rao ]. r96I Sri Sinna Ramanuja ] eer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer
Subba Rao J. [1962) of which he could seek relief in a civil court. On appeal, the learned Subordinate Judge, Tirunelveli, came to the conclusion that, as the plaintiff had come to court to establish his right of precedence to receive
the theertham, etc., as forming part of the emoluments of his office of aradanaikar in the suit temple, the suit could not be dismissed on the preliminary ground that it was barred under s. 9 of the Code of Civil Proce-
dure; on that basis, he set aside the decree of the Dis- trict Munsif and remanded the case for trial on other issues arising in the case. Both the parties preferred appeals to the High Court of Madras and they were
numbered as C. M. As. Nos. 1 and 155 of 1943; on January 31, 1945, Chandrasekara Aiyar, J., dismissed both the appeals. The learned Judge propounded alternative theories, and he expressed himself thus:
"Of course, before he (plaintiff) can succeed in the suit, the plaintiff has to make out that he being the Aradanaikar and trustee of the Emberumanar tem- ple amounts to his holding an office in the suit
temple." The learned Judge agreed with the Subordinate Judge that the suit could not be dismissed in limine without deciding the said question of fact. On remand, the learned Subordinate Judge, Tuticorin, to whom the
said suit and the connected suit, being renumbered 0. S. Nos. 45 and 46of1945, were remanded came to the conclusion that the Emberumanar temple was a sub-shrine attached to the main temple of Sri Athina-
thalwar, and that that the plaintiff, who was the aradanaikar of the sub-shrine, would be virtually an office-holder in the main temple. He further held that the privilege of first theertham was attached to
the said office as part of its remuneration and, there- fore, the suit was one of civil nature falling under 8. 9 of the Code of Civil Procedure; in that view, having held on the merits that the plaintiff had established
his right of precedence, he decreed both the suits. As many as six appeals were preferred against the decrees in the two snits by the aggrieved parties· to the Dis- trict Court; and the learned District Judge in a com-
mon judgment disposed of them on January 23, 1947. The learned District Judge, on a review of the evid- ence in the case, held that the institutions were not interdependent or intimately connected in such a way
that an office-holder oft.he Emberumanar temple was necessarily an office-holder of the Athinathalwar tem- ple. On that finding, he held that the plaintiff was not an office-holder of the Athinathalwar temple
and, therefore, he was not entitled to file a suit with regard to his rights of precedence in being given the theertham, etc. In the result he allowed the appeals and dismissed both the suits with costs through-
out. Against the said judgment, the plaintiff prefer- red second appea.ls to the High Court of Judicature at Madras, being Second Appeals Nos. 2120 and 2121 of 1947. They were heard by Krishnaswami Nayudu, J.,
who on a reconsideration of the evidence disagreed with the finding arrived at by the learned District Judge and accepted the finding given by the learned Subordinate Judge. Not only the learned Judge
accepted the finding of the learned Subordinate Judge that the plaintiff as the aradanaikar or the archaka of the sub-shrine was virtually an office-holder in the main temple, he also went further and held that, as
one of the theerthakars, the plaintiff could be consider- ed to be the holder of the office of arulipad in the main temple. In the result the learned Judge set aside the decree of the District Judge and restored the decrees
of the learned Subordinate Judge. As leave to appeal to a division bench was not given by the learned Judge, the first defendant, i.e., the Vanamamalai Jeer, in the suits, by special leave, has preferred these
appeals against the judgment of the High Court. Mr. A. V. Viswanatha Sastri, learned counsel for the appellant, raised before us the following points: (1) A suit for a declaration that the plaintiff is enti-
tled to honours in a temple would not lie unless he establishes that he holds an office in the said temple and that the said honours form part of the perquisites attached to the said office, and that, as in the present
case the plaintiff claimed that he was an aradanaikar and trustee of only the Emberumanar temple and as such entitled to honours in Athinathalwar temple, Sri Sinna Ramanuja Jeer v.
Sri Ranga Ra1nanuja ] eer Subba Rao ]. I96I Sri Sinna Ramanuja jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao ]. [1962] the suits should have been dismissed in limine on the ground that the plaints did not disclose any claim of
civil nature falling under s. 9 of the Code of Civil Procedure. (2) The Courts were not justified in allow- ing the plaintiff to make out a new case not disclosed in the plaints, namely, that the Emberumanar temple
was a subordinate shrine of the Athinathalwartemple and, therefore, the plaintiff was the office-holder of the latter temple; assuming that there was justifica- tion for the courts in allowing the plaintiff to develop
a new case at a very late stage of the proceedings, there was a clear finding of the District Court based on the evidence adduced in the case that the Emberu- manar temple was not a sub-shrine of the Athinathal-
war temple, and the High Court had no jurisdiction to set aside that finding in second appeals. Mr. Rajagopala Sastri, learned counsel for the res- pondents, contended that the plaintiff's alternative
case was not really a new one, but all the relevant facts in support of that case were disclosed in the plaints, and that the finding of the District Judge was not a finding of fact but was either a legal inference
from proved facts or a mixed question of fact and law. He argued that the contention of learned counsel for the appellant ignores the religious background and ideas of the class of persons with which we are now
concerned, and that, if the matter is approached from a correct perspective, as the High Court did, it would be realized that there was such an association be- tween the two temples as it could be said that one is
subordinate to the other leading to the only irresist- ible inference that the plaintiff, the office-holder of the sub-shrine, could claim honours in the main temple of which the sub-shrine is only a part in the larger
sense. At the outset it would be convenient and necessary to notice briefly the law pertaining to the maintain- ability of suits in civil courts in respect of honours in temples. Section 9 of the Code of Civil Procedure
describes the nature of suits which a court has juris- diction to entertain. It can entertain every suit of a civil nature excepting suits of which its cognizance is either expressly or impliedly barred. As a corollary
to this, it follows that a court cannot entertain a suit which is not of a civil nature. Prima facie suits rais- ing questions of religious rites and ceremonies only are not maintainable in a civil court, for they do not deal
with legal rights of parties. But the explanation to the section accepting the said undoubted position says that a suit in which the right to property or to an office is contested is a suit of civil nature notwith-
standing that such right may depend entirely on the decision of a question as to religious rites or ceremo- nies. It implies two things, namely, (i) a suit for an office is a suit of a civil nature; and (ii) it does not
cease to be one even if the said right depends entirely upon a decision of a question as to the religious rites or ceremonies. It implies further that questions as to religious rites or ceremonies cannot independently of
such a right form the subject-matter of a civil suit. Honours shown or precedence given to religious digni- taries when they attend religious ceremonies in a tem- ple cannot be placed on a higher footing than the reli-
gious rights or ceremonies, for they are integral part of the said rites or ceremonies in the sense that the said honours are shown to persons partaking in the ceremonies. Prima facie honours, such as who is to
stand in the ghoshti, in what place, who is to get the tulasi, etc., in which order, and similar others, cannot be considered to be part of the remuneration or perqui- sites attached to an office, for they are only tokens of
welcome of an honoured guest within the precincts of a temple. One would have thought that it would even be a sacrilege to claim a right of precedence in the presence of the Almighty God, for all go .before him
as humble devotees to earn his blessings and not to assert their self importance or claim their right to pre- ferential treatment. But a century of case law in that part of the country has recognized certain rights of
different grades of devotees and they and their innu- merable followers began to cherish them or even to fight for them in criminal and civil courts. This Court, therefore, does not propose to reconsider the
r96t Sri Sinna Ramanuja Jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao j. Sri Sinna Ramanf4ja jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao ]. [1962] question of honours on first principles but only will
resurvey the law on the subject with a view to ascer- tain, and if possible to clarify, the legal position. The earliest decision is that in Striman Sadagopa v. Kristna Tatachariyar (1). There, the plaintiff was the
gurukkal of Sri Ahobilam Mutt and he sued the trustees of Sri Devarajaswami temple at Conjeevaram for damages for injuries done to him by withholding from him certain honours and emoluments and also
sought to have his right to such honours and emolu- ments established for the future. Two Schedules were attached to that plaint and they showed inter alia that what was claimed as honours were such as gar-
lands, cocoanuts, prasadams and other paraphernalia attending the ceremonial recitation when the gurukkal visited the temple. Scotland, Q.J., formulated the legal position thus: " ……… these clearly show that every one of the
matters in respect of which the suit is brought is purely a matter of religious and sacred observance in connection with the worship and ceremonials at the pagoda, and is claimed by the plaintiff as a
matter of devotional respect and display due to his priestly rank or as a votive offering made to him whilst passing in procession through the temples, and when brought to the presence of the principal
idol." Then the learned Chief Justice proceeded to state: "He (the plaintiff) is not officially connected in any way with the management or control of the pagoda, or its property or funds; and the alleged
dues of his office have no doubt been owing to the great reverence at one time entertained for his sacredotal rank in the Hindu religion, and the im- portance from a religious point of view of his mere
presence at the pagoda." He concluded thus: "Such honours and emoluments cannot in any respect be considered as remuneration for duties or ministrations performed by the plaintiff in the secu-
lar affairs or religious services of the pagoda." (•) (1863) I M.H.C.R. JOI, 3o6. This decision, which has stood the test of time, clearly lays down that a suit to enforce the rights of persons
holding offices connected with the management and regulation of temples and for honours and emoluments connected therewith would lie in a civil court; but a suit by a plaintiff, who does not hold an office in the
temple, claiming honours customarily shown to him as a matter of devotional respect and display due to his rank is not of a civil nature. The principle laid down in this case and restated in subsequent cases has been
applied by a division bench of the Madras High Court to a claim for first theertham, etc., in Sri Rungachariar v. Rungasami Buttachar(1). That decision was given in an appeal arising out of a suit for a declaration that
the plaintiffs had a hereditary miras right to the offices of Sthalathar, Kutumba First Theertham, Mun- trapushpam, V edaparayanam and Adyapakam from times immemorial in the temple of Sri Parimala Ranga-
nathaswarni at Tiruvilandur, and, by virtue of such right, were entitled to a fourth share of the honours and emoluments due to their offices as detailed in schedule A of the plaint. The learned Judges, on the
evidence, came to the following conclusion: " ……… the plaintiffs as hereditary Sthalathars are bound to perform, besides the duties of superintend- ence attached to their office of Sthalathar, the cere-
monial duties of vedaparayanam, etc., and are enti- tled to receive remuneration for the performance of those d11ties. Included in this remumeration is 'the privilege of first theertham' from which the plain-
tiffs are called 'theerthakars'." Then the learned Judges proceeded to observe: "Taking the findings to be, as we do, that the privilege of the first theertham is attached to the hereditary office of the plaintiffs as a part of the
remuneration of the office, the Court must, to pro- tect the plaintiffs in the enjoyment of the office, declare what is the honour to which they are entitled." This decision recognizes that a suit for a declaration
of a plaintiff's right to an office and for the honours, (1) (1909) l.L.R. 32 Mad. 291, 298. Sri Sinna Ramanuja J eef v. Sri l?anga Ramanuja jeer Subba Rao J. Sri Sinna Ranzanuja Jeer
v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao J. [1962) such as first theertham, etc., as part of the rem unera- tion will lie in a civil court. Athan Sadagopachariar Swamigal v. Elayavalli Sri-
nivasachariar (1) is a decision relating to honours in Athinathalwar temple itself. The plaintiff in that case was a trustee of a temple called Pillalokacharyar's temple. The principal object of the suit was to pre-
vent the first defendant from claiming to be one of the Adhyapaka Mirasidars in the temple of Nammal- war and Adinathar in Alwar Tirunagari. It was con- tended that the first defendant was one of the seven
Adhyapaka Mirasidars in the temple and his rank in the ghoshti was just above the plaintiffs. Sadasiva Aiyar, J., posed the question raised and gave his answer thereto thus: "The legal question I wish to say something
about is whether a suit for the honours mentioned in the second item of the 2nd Schedule to the plaint is maintainable in a Civil Court. It is clear that if those honours are not attached to any office in the
temple, no such suit could lie. The first branch of the question, therefore, is a question of fact, viz., whether these honours are attached to the Adhya- paka Miras office in the temple."
After considering the evidence and other relevant decisions, the learned Judge came to the following conclusion: "I see no difficulty whatever in holding on the evidence in this case that the plaintiffs and the 1st
defendant and the 5 other Adhyapaka Mirasidars get their rank in the Goshti and their rank in the distributions of prasadams not because those hon- ours are part of the Adhyapaka Miras office to
which they are entitled but because of their being Acharya Purushas or of their families having been very respectable religious families for long or be- cause the mere respect due to their offices has been
considered as making them fit in a social, and reli- gious point of view to obtain such honours." That would be enough to dispose of that appeal, but the learned Judge proceeded to make certain observa-
tions even on the assumption that the said honours (1) (1913) M.W.N. 289, 299, 300, 301. had been attached to emoluments so far as the 7 Adhyapaka Mirasidars were concerned. The obser-
Sri Sinna vations of the learned Judge, though obiter, deserve to Ramanuja Jeer be quoted not only because of his vast experience in matters of Hindu religion but also because of his well
known reformative zeal to remove the cobwebs that shroded the Hindu religion by superstitious igno- v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja ] eer rance and perverted imposition. The learned Judge Subba Rao J. says:
" ……… the next question of law is whether such honours to be shown in the presence of God can be legally attached to the office as emoluments, in other words, can honours be legally claimed by
anybody as receivable by him in a temple? When a trustee chooses to parade the temple elephants and dancing girls before a high official or any other per- son and gives him prasadams, etc., he does it in order
to show 'honours' to that person and when he does it without prejudice to the conduct of the rituals and ceremonies in the temple, he always says that the . God of the temple Himself condescends to treat the
official or other persons as God's guest and shows him these 'honours'. Such persons to whom respect is shown cannot in my opinion claim such 'honours' as a legal right, but as a favour shown by the tem-
ple Deity. Such honours in the strict eye of the Shastras cannot be called honours at all but as doles condescendingly given by the temple Deity as a 'favour'. One of the honours, as is well known,
shown to a Hindu in a Vaishnava temple is to place the impression of the feet of the Deity upon the head or shoulders of the devotee. Another is the distribution of the 'leavings' of the food offered
to the Deity to the distinguished devotee. The sandal paste of the feet of the Deity and the leaving of his food and the garland worn by the God are given as marks of pure grace and not as rights and honours
claimable by the devotee ………… This clearly shows that while we ought to humbly accept the Deity's leavings given through the trustee or an archaka, a claim for •honour' to be shown in the presence of
God is a sinful claim and is illegal and unshastraic. Sri Sinna Ramanuj a Jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao]. [1962] I would therefore respectfully confine the decision in Sri Rungachariar v. Rungaswami Buttachar(1) to
cases in which the receiving of the first theertham by an office-holder has become indissoluble part of the ritual to be performed by the recipient as an office-holder and the extension of the principle
should be carefully guarded against." These are weighty observations and if they were appropriate in the year 1913 they should be much more so in the year 1961. We respectfully accept
these observations as laying down the correct proposi- tion, namely, that a party claiming an honour like first theertham, etc., has to prove not only that he is an office-holder of the temple and that he has been receiv-
ing the first theertham in the Ghoshti but also that the receipt of the first theertham, has become an integral part of the ritual to be performed by him as an office- holder; for, the receipt of the first theertham would be
consistent with its being shown as a grace from the Lord and also as its being a part of the remuneration to the office. Another division bench of the Madras High Court in Vathiar Venkatachariar v. P. Ponappa
Ayyengar (') had to consider the question of a claim to a religious honour which consisted of receiving theer- thams and prasadams in the temple in certain order of precedence. This case also relates to Athinathalwar
temple and to the question of precedence among the theerthakars. The first question raised was whether there was such an office as theertham office in the temple. Krishnan, J., delivering the leading judg-
ment, in rejecting that there was such an office observed: "It may be mentioned that among the Theer- thakars there are some 5 or 7 in number, who are called Adhyapakamdars, whose special duty it is to
recite these Prabandams and they are remunerated by Inam lands given to them. They are what may be called the official reciters in this temple." Adverting to the question raised, the learned Judge
proceeded to observe: "It is clear that,, to constitute an office one, if not (I) (t909) I.L.R. 32 Mad. 29'. 298. (2) (r918) 45 LC. 959, 961, 96•. the essential, thing is the existence of a duty or
duties attached to the office which the office-holder is under a legal obligation to perform and the non- performance of which may be visited by penalties such as a suspension, dismissal, etc."
Applying the test in the case of Theerthakars and other Adhyapakam<lars, the learned Judge said: "The only difference between the outsiders and the Theerthakars, as shown by the evidence, is that
the Theerthakars have special places allotted to them in the temple to stand and recite and they a.re given the honour of Theertham and Prasadam, before the outsiders get them; and they have what
is called an 'Arulapad', that is, their names are called out by the Archaka in a certain order, when, if present, they have to respond by saying 'Nayinde', meaning 'lam here'. This does not seem
to show that they are anything more than a recog- nized and privileged class of worshippers who are shown special consideration by having places allot- ted to them in the temple and by being given the
honours before the ordinary worshippers in an order of precedence fixed by the usage of the temple." On a consideration of the evidence in that case, the learned Judge stated: "On the evidence as set out it must be held that
the plaintiffs have not made out the existence of any obligatory duty on the part of the Theerthakars or of any office called the Theertham office." This judgment, therefore, establishes that there is no
office called the theertham office in the temple, as there is no obligatory duty on the pa.rt of the said theer- thakars in the temple. As the claim to the said honour was not established to have been attached as
emoluments to the religious office the suit was dismiss- ed. Sri Emberumanar Jeer Swamigal v. The Board of Commissioners for Hindu Religious Endowments, Madras.(') is a decision of a single Judge of the
Madras High Court in a writ petition filed by Emberu- ma.nar Jeer questioning the order of the Religious Endowments Board which is the subject-matter of (1) (1936) 71 M.L.J. 588, 591.
5,i Sinna Ratnanuja jeer v. Sti Ranga Ra1nanuja Jeer Subba Rao ]. Sri Sinna Ramanuja jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao J. (1962) the present appeals. That writ petition was dismiss-
ed on the ground that the Board's order related to administrative matter and, therefore, a writ of certiorari would not lie to quash the same; but in the course of the judgment, Pandurang Row, J., made
certain relevant observations and they are: "What was determined by the Board was the order of distribution of theertham and honours con- nected with theertham. This matter cannot in my
opinion be regarded as a determination of any rights of subjects. The rights of subjects referred to in the rule are rights which can be legally enforced and not mere honours or precedence
claimed or recognized as a matter of courtesy or usage. It is not seriously disputed that the right to obtain the theertham or honours in a particular order of precedence is not a civil right which can
be enforced or declared in a Civil Court." After citing the observations in Sriman Sadagopa v. Kristna Tatachariyar (1), the learned Judge observed: "Indeed the rule that Ci vii Courts cannot take
cognizance of claims to mere honours or privileges of the nature referred to above has been unques- tioned for many years and every attempt to evade that rule has met with failure."
The observations of the learned Judge are rather wide, for, as the earlier decisions show, though a suit for privileges or honours per se may not lie in a Civil Court, if they are annexed to an office, they can be
agitated therein. This judgment was taken in appeal to a division bench of the High Court, consisting of Leach, C. J., and Somayya, J., who confirmed the same. They observed: "lt is acknowledged that a question relating to
the distribution of theertham or other temple honours cannot be made the subject-matter of a suit as it is not a question which affects a legal right." The remarks we made in regard to the observations
of Pandurang Row, J., would equally apply to these observations. They do not represent the entire law on the subject, but only a part of it. {•) (1863) I M.H.C.R. 301. It is not necessary to refer to further citations, for
the decisions already cited lay down the relevant principles of law clearly. For convenience of refer- ence we may summarize the law on the subject thus: (1) A suit for a declaration of religious honours and
privileges simplicite1· will not lie in a. civil court. (2) But a suit to establish one's right to an office in a. temple, and to honours and privileges attached to the said office as its remuneration or perquisites, is main-
tainable in a civil court. (3) The essential condition for the existence of an office is that the holder of the alleged office shall be under a legal obligation to discharge the duties attached to the said office and
for the non-observance of which he may be visited with penalties. ( 4) So judged, there cannot be an inde- pendent office of theerthakar, for a theerthakar has no obligatory duties to perform; nor can there be an office
of arulipad; the said word only connotes that the names of the theerthakars are ca.lied out by the archaka in a certain order. (5) Even if theertham is given or . other honours a.re shown in a. particular order to a
person holding an office, it does not necessarily follow that the said honours are part of the remuneration attached to the office; but it is a question of fact to be ascertained on the evidence whether the said
honours are attached to the office as part of its per- quisites in the sense that they have become an inte- gral part of the ritual to be performed by the recipient as the office-holder or are only shown to him as a.
mark of respect on the occasion of his visit to the temple. Having regard to the said principles, let us now look at the contentions raised in this case. The first submission of learned counsel for the appellant is that,
in view of the said principles, the suit should have been dis missed in limine on the basis of the allegations in the plaint. In paragraph 4 of the plaint in 0. S. No. 45 of 1945, the claim of the plaintiff to the office
is s ta. ted th us: "The plaintiff is the present Emberumanar Jeer and as such the aradhanaikar itnd trustee of the said Sri Sinna Ramanuja Jeer v. Sri Ranga Ra1nanuja ] eer Subba Rao ].
r96r 5,i Sinna Ramanuja jeer v. Sri Ranga Ratnanu}a Jeer Subba Rao ], (1962] Emberumanar temple having been appointed and nominated by his predecessor Sri Sadagopa Rama- nuja Jeer who died in 1930."
In paragraph 7 of the plaint, his claim to the honours is stated thus: "In his capacity as holder of the office of aradha- naikar and trustee of the Emberumanar temple and as emoluments attached to the said office, the
Emberumanar Jeer is by immemorial usage and custom entitled to receive, in the ghoshties that al"e formed before all the sannidhies in the Adhinathal- war temple on all occasions of each day on all the
days of the year without exception, the first theer- tham and other honours described in Schedule I below and the perquisites described in Schedule II below." In paragraph 9 it is further stated:
"In his capacity as holder of the office of Aradha- naikar and trustee of Emberumanar temple and as emoluments attached to the said office the Emberu- manar Jeer is entitled to receive on the 7th day of
Vaikasi festival in the Athinathalwar temple, in addition to and along with the honours and perqui- sites described in Schedules I and II, certain other honours such as the tying of the silk gear, etc., more
particularly described in Schedule III hereto. These are known as special honours while the honours described in Schedules I and II are known as ordi- nary honours." It is clear from the said allegations that the claim of
the plaintiff to the ordinary and special honours in the A.thinathalwar temple is based upon his capacity as office-holder as Aradhanaikar and trustee of Emberu- manar temple. There is no allegation that he is an
office-holder in Athinathalwar temple. In the written- statements filed by the defendants the claim of the plaintiff to the said honours is denied. In O.S. No. 46 of 1945 also the claim of the plaintiff
to the honours is based upon the same allegations that are made in the plaint in 0. S. No. 45 of 1945. In the written.statement filed by the defendants the said olaim is denied. Indeed, the original issues reflected
only the allegations found in the pleadings. If the courts had directed their minds to the pleadings, as they should have done, instead of travelling beyond them in search of some plausible basis to sustain the
plaintiff's claim the suits would have been dismissed for the simple reason that on the allegations in the plaint the plaintiff was not an office.holder in the temple of Athinathalwar and, therefore, he could not claim the
honours shown to him in the said temple as perquisites attached to his office; but unfortunately this was not done, and we think that it is too late to dismiss the suit on that ground when all the parties adduced volu-
minous evidence on the alternative ground and took the decision of the courts. We shall, therefore, pro- ceed to consider the case on the alternative basis on which the claim has been put forward on behalf of the
plaintiff in the courts below. To appreciate the said basis, it is necessary to re- capitulate the relevant facts. Originally, the Dist~ict Munsif dismissed the suit 0. S. No. 320 of 1933 (0. S.
No. 45 of 1945 on the file of the Court of the Subordi- nate Judge, Tuticorin) on the ground that the plain- tiff has no legal right in respect of which he could seek relief in a civil court. But on appeal the learned
Subordinate Judge set aside the decree and remanded the suit for trial. In paragraph 18 of his judgment, the learned Subordinate Judge stated: "In view of the above authorities I am of opinion
that when the present plaintiff has come to Court with a specific case set out in paragraphs 7 and 9 of his plaint that his right of precedence to receive theertham, thulasi, safa,ri, prasadam and other per-
quisites forms part of the emoluments of his office of aradanaikar in the suit temple, the suit cannot be dismissed on the preliminary ground that it is barred under Section 9, Civil Procedure Code."
There is an obvious mistake in this statement, for in the paragraphs mentioned therein it is not alleged that the plaintiff has an office in the Athinathal war temple. Presumably this mistake lead the learned Judge to
come to the conclusion which he did. On appeal, in the High Court it was pointed out to the court that 196r Sri Sinna Ramanuja J eeY v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja ] eet' Subba Rao ]. SYi Sinna
Ra1nanuja Jeer v, SYi Ranga Ramanuja jeet' Subba llao ]. St1PREME COURT REPORTS [1962] the plaintiff held no office in the Athinathalwar temple. But Chandrasekara Aiyar, J., for the first
time, allowed the plaintiff to make out a new case. The learned Judge stated the said case in the follow- ing words: "One view to take up in this case is what was adopted by the District M11nsif, namely, that as the
plaintiff admitt.edly holds no office in the Athina- thalwar temple he cannot claim these honours. The other view which found favour with the Subordinate Judge is that owing to the alleged associations of
the two temples, their interlinking and their inter- dependence, the Aradanaikar and trustee of the Emberumanar temple might claim to be regarded as an office-holder in the Athinathalwar temple."
The learned Judge did not decide the point, but he observed: "But the idea of two temples or Mutts, of equal rank and co-ordinate and independent authority or where one is the primary institution and the other
its subsidiary or adjunct being linked together for certain purposes of worship and observance of rituals cannot be said to be entirely foreign to Hindu notions." He concluded thus:
"Of course, before he can succeed in the suit, the plaintiff has to make out that he being the Arada- naikar and trustee of the Emberumanar temple amounts to his holding an office in the suit temple."
The question whether the origin of this new case is found in the judgment of the Subordinate Judge or that of Chandrasekara Aiyar, J., need not detain us. This is a new case not disclosed in the plaint; but
after remand both the parties directed their attention to this question and adduced all the relevant evidence pertaining thereto. On remand, the learned Subordinate Judge in an elaborate judgment considered the said aspect of the
case. He considered the evidence under three heads, namely, (i) historical, (ii) administrative, and (iii) financial. On the first head after considering the origin of the two temples, the learned Judge came to the
conclusion that the idea that the Emberumanar te'm. ple was historically connected with Athinathalwar temple could not be "poopoohed". Under the adminis- trative head, he found that till 1926 Emberumanar
temple was merely a sub-shrine attached to the bigger Athinathalwar temple, and the trustees of the latter temple were exercising administrative control over it as such. Coming then to the financial side, he found
that there was sufficient evidence to justify the infer- ence that the two were intimately connected even financially. Passing on to the question of ceremonial and religious association between these two temples,
the learned Judge found that there was similarity in the mode of routine and day-to-day worship in the two temples; but there was no interlinking or interdepend- ence between them in that matter. Then the learned
Subordinate Judge pointed out that notwithstanding that there was no interlinking and interdependence in that maf>ter, they were so intimately associated with each other in other religious rites and ceremonies as
to lead to the inference that the Emberumanartemple was after all only a sub-shrine attached to the main temple of Athinathalwar. Then he pointed out that the question in the said form was not before Chandra-
sekara Aiyar, J., but thought that it was open to him to go into the said question. After going into the evidence, he finally came to the conclusion that apart from historical and secular association, there had been
also ceremor..ial and religious association between the two temples and, therefore, the Emberumanar temple was nothing but, a sub-shrine attached to the main temple of Athinathalwar. On that finding he further
held that the plaintiff who was admittedly the araiJ,ha- naikar of the said temple was virtually an office-holder in the main temple. In the appeals filed by the various parties against t.he decrees of the learned
Subordinate Judge, tho learned District Judge of Tirunclveli reviewed the evidence once again under the said three heads and came to a contrary conclu- sion. On the administrative side he found that the
Emberumanar temple was not subordinate to the Sri Sinna Ra1nanuja jeer y. Sri RangtJ Ratnanuja Jeer Subba Rao j Sri S1nna Uatnanuja jeer v. Sri Ranga lla1nanuja ]<ier Subba llau J.
[1962] temple of Athinathalwar, in the sense that the autho- rities of the latter temple could give orders to the authorities of the Emberumanar temple, that is, the former was not subordinate to the latter temple
administratively. On the financial side, he was equally emphatic that the two institut.ions were not inter- dependent. On the religions or ritual aspect, the learned District Judge held that, as both the institu-
tions were constructed in the same place, there must have been some connection between the two and in that sense in a general way the Emberumanar temple might be described as a sub-shrine. On the said facts,
the learned Judge posed the following question for his consideration: "What is the inference to be deriv- ed? On the evidence, he answered the question thus: "I hold on the evidence that these institutions
are not interdependent or intimately connected in such a way that an office-holder of Emberumanar tern pie is necessarily an office-holder of the Athi- nathal war temple. I hold therefore that the plain-
tiff is not an office-holder of the Athinathalwar temple and therefore he is not entitled to file a suit with regard to his rights of precedence in being given theertham." This finding is certainly a finding of fact based upon
the entire evidence in the case. In the second appeal, the learned Judge of the High Court, on a review of the evidence, disagreed with the learned District Judge and accepted the find-
ing of the learned Subordinate Judge, and held, for similar reasons, that the plaintiff was virtually an office-holder in the main temple; he further held that the plaintiff could also be considered to be the holder
of the office of arnlipad and, in that capacity also he was entitled to the first theertham and other honours. The first question is one of fact. The learned District Judge, though he differed from the Subordinate
Judge, held, on a consideration of the entire evidence that the plaintiff was not an office-holder in the Athi- nathalwar t,emple. It has now been well settled that the High Court has no jurisdiction to entertain a
second appeal on the ground of erroneous finding of fact however gross the error may seem to be. The judgment of the learned Judge does not disclose that there are any permissible grounds for interference
with the finding of the District Judge. The second ground of decision of the High Court is based upon a case that was raised for the first time before it. Nowhere in tho plaints or before the two subordinate
courts the plaintiff attempted to sustain his claim on his being the holder of the office of arulipad. The High Court, therefore, was not justified in allowing the plaintiff to set out any such claim for the first time in the second appeal. That apart, it does not appear
that there is an office called arulipad. A division bench of the Madras High Court in Vathiar Venkata- chariar v. P. Ponnappa Ayyengar (') had an occasion to define the word "arulipad". There, a claim was
ma,de to the office of Theerthakar. On the evidence it was held that the plaintiffs had not made out the existence of any obligatory duty on the part of Theer- thakar in the temple. In that context Krishnan, J.,
observed thus: " …………. the Theerthakars have special places allotted to them in the temple to stand and recite and they are given the honour of Theertham and Prasadam, before the outsiders get them; and
they have what is called an "Arulipad", that is, their names are called out by the Archaka in a cer- tain order, when, if present, they have to respond by saying 'Nayinde', meaning 'I am here'."
It is, therefore, clear that there is no office designated as "arulipad", but that word only describes the duty of the archaka to call their names to ascertain whe- ther the theerthakars are present in the ghoshti. There
is no evidence in this case that the plaintiff, as a theerthakar, has any obligatory duty in the Athinathal- war temple to perform and, therefore, it is not pos- sible to treat him as an office-holder in that capacity
in the said temple. This leads us to the argument of the counsel for the respondent that, though it cannot be said that the Emberumanar temple is a part or a subordinate of the Athinathalwar temple in the sense that all the
(1) (1918) 4S I.C. 9S9• Sri Sinna Ramanuja Jeer v Sri Ranga Ra111anuja Jeer Subha Rao j. Ig6I Sri Sinna RamanHja Jeer v. Sri Hanga Ramanuja J etr Subba R<lo ] . [1962] office-holdei;s of the former are the office-holders of
the latter, there is sufficient ritual connection between the two which in the consciousness of the religious public is treated as sufficiently intimate to make the one subordinate to the other. This intimate religious
connection, the argument proceeds, flows from the historic.al, administrat,ive and financial ties, however loose they may be, that have existed for over a cen- tury between the said two temples. This argument
may have some validity in a theological discussion or an ecclesiastical court, but cannot obviously be accept- ed in a civil court. Krishnaswami N ayudu, J., sum. marizes the facts in his judgment which, in his view,
support the conclusion that the Emberumanar Jeer was virtually an office-holder in the Athinathalwar temple. As the correctness of the said facts is not questioned before us, it will be convenient to extract
them in the words of the learned Judge: "In all Vaishnavite temples, the Al wars and the Acharyas take a prominent place in the religious ceremonies and observances of the temple.
An attempt was made to show that there has been an interlinking and interdependence of the ritual and ceremonies between these two temples, but, as rightly found by the learned Subordinate Judge, in
the matter of routine and day-to-day worship and rituals such interlinking and interdependence have not been satisfactorily made out. The rituals or the manner of performing divine service are uniform
in every Vaishnavite temple. But, as found by the learned Subordinate Judge, though a ritual in the main temple is not dependent upon the ritual in the sub-shrine, the Emberumanar deity being an
Acharya is intimately associated with the deity in the main temple in all the important festivals, the most important of which are the Margali and Vaikasi festivals and other religious ceremonies.
There are several Mandagapadis for the Athinatha Al war in the Emberumanar temple. There is Sethu Thirumanjam for the Athinatha Alwar and Embe- rumanar deities on three occasions, two of them
in the Emberumanar tem]Jle and one in the main temple. Then there is what is called Alwar Saya- nam which has to take place on the 10th day of the M argali festival and which is performed in the
main temple. There are several other similar reli- gious observances, where the two deities meet and certain rituals and religious ceremonies are gone through. The daily ritual in a Vaishnavite temple
is a routine matter and on occasions, for instance, in the months of Margali and Vaikasi and on other festival days, there is necessity for the Al wars and the Acharyas to meet the main deity and ceremo-
nies suitable to the occasions are performed. It is not possible to imagine a temple where God Vishnu is installed without the presence of the Al wars and Acharyas. Alwars and Acharyas are devotees of
God Vishnu who have received divine recognition in their lives and the festivals in relation to them depict incidents of such manifestation of divine grace to his devotees. It may also be mentioned that the installation of
each Emberumanar Jeer, who it may be stated is a Sanyasi, is in the Athinatha Al war temple under its Dwajasthamba, the flag staff, and the declaration of the status of the succeeding Jeer is made only in
the presence of the deity of the main temple." We may also add to the said facts that at one time the share of tasdik allowance to the Emberu- manar temple was paid through the trustee of Athi-
nathalwar temple and there was also an occasion when a trustee of the Emberumanar temple was dis- missed by the trustee of the Athinathalwar temple. On the other hand, both the temples are under diffe-
rent managements, they have their separate office- holders, distinct rituals, different budgets, and sepa- rate endowments; and in the year 1926 on an applica- tion filed by the Emberumanar Jeer, the Religious
Endowments Board declared the temple as an except- ed temple indicating thereby that the Emberumanar temple was a separate legal entity and that the said Jeer was its hereditary trustee. The only question,
therefore, is whether the said facts enable a court to Sri Sinna Ramanuja Jeer v. Sri Ranga Ramanuja jeer Subba Rao ]. Sri Sinna Ramnnuja jeer v. Sti Rangri Ramanuja jeer Subba Rao J,
[1962] hold that one temple is subordinate or part of the other temple, so that the office-holders of one temple would become the office-holders of the other. The facts clearly establish that in fact and in law the two insti-
tutions are different legal entities. In the past, the trustees of Athinathalwar temple might have disburs- ed tasdik allowances contributed by the Gove"rnment to the various temples, including the Emberumanar
temple, but it is well known that for convenience of administration the services of the trustees of a larger temple were very often utilized by the Government in that regard; it might have been that sometimes the
amounts payable to the smaller temples were allowed to lapse, but there is nothing on the record to show that it was not out of negligence of the trustees of the minor shrines in not making any pressing demands
on the trustees of Athinathalwar temple; it might also have been that the trustee of the bigger temple, in his supervisory capacity, dismissed once in a way the trustee of a smaller shrine in the locality, but
that could be explained by the paramount position of the trustee of the bigger temple in the locality com- pared to that of the minor temples. These and such acts may show that the trustee of the Athinathalwar
temple had exercised similar supervisory control in the past over the minor temples; but that in itself does not make the trustee of the temple of Emberu- manar an office-holder in the bigger temple. It is
well known that in the past the temples were under the supervision of the Revenue Board and later on under various temple committees. It cannot be sug- gested that on that account the trustees of the minor
temples were officers in the Revenue Boi.rd or the temple committees, as the case may be. We cannot also appreciate how the mutual visits of the idols to the other's temple and the honours shown to the idols
on such visits could have any bearing on the question to be decided, though they reflect the intimate rela- tionship that exists between the Lord and his ardent devotee Ramanuja in the public consciousness. But
such cordial relationship existing between two in- dependent temples cannot in the eye of law make th(; 'I 2 S.C.R. one a part of the other. Two independent institutions legally cannot, Lxcept in the manner known to law,
be amalgamated into one institution by developing merely sentimental attachment between them. This argument was rightly rejected by the learned District Judge, and the High Court went wrong in accepting
it. Before we close we must make it, clear that by this judgment we have not in any way intended to express our view in the matter of honours that are customa.. rily shown to one or other of the parties in these
appeals in the temple of Athinathalwar. In the result we hold, agreeing with the District Judge, that the suits were not maintainable in the civil court. The appeals are, therefore, allowed with
costs throughout. Appeals allowed. ROTA VENKATA SURYA SIVARAMA SASTRY v. STATE OF ANDHRA PRADESH (P. B. GAJENDRAGADKAR, A. IC SARKAR, K. c. DAS GUPTA, N. RAJAGOPALA AYYANGAR and J. R. MUDHOLKAR, JJ.)
Abolition of Estates-Enactment providing for State taking over estates by notification-Part of estate outside the operation of enact- ment-Legislation extending its operation-Notifications in respect of estate, each part separately-Legality-Madras Scheduled Areas Estates (Abolition and Conversion into Ryotwari) Regulation, 1951 (Regulation 4 of 1951), s. 2-M adras Estates (Abolition and Conver- sion into Ryotwari) Act, 1948 (Madras 26 of 1948), ss. 1(4), 3, 25, The areas in question which were parts of two estates
belonging to the appellants, called Gangole A and Gangole C, were situated in what was known as the Godavari Agency tract which was governed by the Scheduled Districts Act, 1874, By s, 92 of the Government of India Act, 1935, no Act of the Pro- vincial Legislature was applicable to certain areas in which the Godavari Agency was included, unless the Governor by public Sri Sinna
Ramanuja jeer v, Sri Ranga Ramanuja Jeer Subba Rao ], April z8.